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I'm always intrigued by authors who choose to be published using only their initials, and in the last month selected 2, one fantasy and one crime, partly to see if they could guess their gender and partly to speculate wildly on why they made their choice.

GM Ford conveniently had the first 2 books of a series available and I quickly ran into trouble.  The women characters were harridans out to prevent the happiness of men, with the exception of the central femme.  Who turned out to be just a kitten really, and solely motivated by the luv of her man.  Ugh.  I moved on to skim-reading after the first 2 chapters and the first chapter of the second book and had to stop.  I was actually praying for the author to be male because the thought of being in the psyche of a woman that self-loathing was just so horrid.  Phew - he was. Avoid.

The other was the fantasy - KJ Bishop.  I quickly got the sense of Jeff Vandermeer intrigueyness (I've written it, therefore it's a word) , with that sense of steadily increasing warpedness, but more engaging and with less victimy leads.  It felt female.   When I got to the line "It seemed no man could conceive of her as prey," no shadow of a doubt remained. 

Now confirmed on the interwebs, so I'm feeling both the smugness which comes of being right and the sadness that I still struggle with finding male authors readable.  Terry Pratchett is wonderful, I haven't given up on Jasper Fforde and Philip Pullman.  Elmore Leonard was fab.  Erm.  That's all I can bring to mind for novelists.  I used to like John Irving and Piers Anthony and Jack Vance but was turned off all of them by their inability to portray a woman as a character rather than an adjunct and/or object  .  I do find likeable male writers scattered around in other forms - television particularly, theatre too.  Mike Leigh and William Goldman in films. 

But some recommendations for male novelists (any genre) that prove me wrong and get rid of this sour taste in my mouth would be wonderful.

P.S. The Bishop book is The Etched City.  It is scrumptious and moreish - and a first novel! Fab.

PPS I got rather distracted from the speculation as to why.  But interested in others'  thoughts.

Date: 2009-01-31 02:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ashfae.livejournal.com
Go thou to Steven Brust. Do not pass go, do not collect $200. Start with Jhereg or Yendi (Yendi is a prequel and can be read first).

Date: 2009-01-31 02:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] circelily.livejournal.com
Steven Brust. Off to the library. Now :) /salute

Date: 2009-01-31 05:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] circelily.livejournal.com
I have returned with the only selection available in my local library: Dzur. I'm never very worried about sequencing of books, plot intrigue is strictly secondary to character and good writing. So Dzur is coming with me to Prague - yay.

Date: 2009-01-31 10:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ashfae.livejournal.com
He can be hard to find out here, so you may not succeed. =(

Date: 2009-01-31 11:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] circelily.livejournal.com
Oh ye of little faith. For lo, I wield great library power.

Date: 2009-02-01 12:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ashfae.livejournal.com
I know all about great library power, but woe, the American writers, they are sometimes difficult to find in Great Britain!

Date: 2009-02-01 08:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] circelily.livejournal.com
That is very very true, especially in fantasy, where some great authors never get published this side of the water. But there are 3 ways for the intrepid to get round this. Murder One in Soho imports genre books (not just crime) direct from the States. People buy books direct from Internet and give them to libraries when they're done. And the glorious, glorious hamlet of Hay-on-Wye. Which I sincerely hope logistics will pan out for me to go to this year. One town, 30 second hand books shops. Yum.

Just checked and woe. Murder One hit the dust THIS WEEK (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/retailandconsumer/4125973/Murder-One-crime-bookshop-to-close-within-weeks.html) :sob:

Date: 2009-02-01 02:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ashfae.livejournal.com
Oh, I know of Hay-on-Wye, I've been dreaming of going there since I was a kid. You think you might be able to?? ...hang on, I can't remember, can you drive? I'll be in Wales in April, and if you could miraculously manage to be there at the same time perhaps we could arrange for a diversion...;)

And oh, how tragic!!! =(

Date: 2009-02-01 04:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] circelily.livejournal.com
How about sometime in the last 10 days of May (http://www.hayfestival.com/wales/default.aspx) They've even FINALLY got some public transport fixed up. Woo hoo. I definitely have to go now. You should too. In fact as many as possible - it's genius.

Re April - as with so much at the moment - I can't make proper plans until certain things happen or don't. So hold that thought :D

Date: 2009-01-31 03:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] friend-of-tofu.livejournal.com
Ah, but have you read any C J Cherryh?

I too love Mike Leigh.

Date: 2009-01-31 05:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] circelily.livejournal.com
CJ Cherryh - I have seen the books around, but the sheer weighty-lookingness has put me off. But... I'm taking that as your rec so I shall give hir a go. I should also play guess the gender again, yes? So no peeking on the wires.

And Polly in Happy-Go-Lucky is genius - so incredibly irritating and such a hero at the same time. I think what I like most about Mike Leigh is that he puts two fingers up to the concept of Singlular Auteur (in both a writing and directing sense) and gives the actors both the opportunity and credit for co-creating characters.

And also remembered a few more good men novelists - Jonathan Stroud and Roger Zelazny (prompted by blurb on the Brust- good sign). George Orwell, mostly. Graham Greene. So many yays really.

Date: 2009-02-01 07:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] friend-of-tofu.livejournal.com
Not so much my rec as other friends' - I still haven't got round to it! But what ppl have said to me is that her fantasy is unremarkable, but her SF is great, so go for that maybe?

I think you're spot-on about the birlliance of ML's working methods. It would go tits-up for someone less capable, but he does it really well, and I think people must love working with him, cos they keep coming back (eg Timothy Spall, the sadly deceased Katrin Cartlidge, who I adored).

Date: 2009-02-02 06:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kulpunya.livejournal.com
KJ Bishop here. My husband stalks me round the net, and he pointed me to this post. Firstly, thank you for liking The Etched City. Secondly, I had a couple of reasons for going by initials. One is that I just don't like my given name, Kirsten. Two is that it doesn't only say "female", it says "young". (Or young back in year 2001 when I finished writing the book.) There weren't many baby Kirstens in the English-speaking world before 1970 or so. I didn't like the idea that readers would see an image (albeit correct) of a young female probably Anglo-Celt author before they read the first word.

You could try Patrick White's "The Aunt's Story". The main character in that book seems as interesting and interested a portrayal of a woman by a male author as I've ever seen in fiction. At the very least she's her own person, and not any kind of projection of male fantasies or neuroses.

Cheers,
K(irsten)

Date: 2009-02-02 08:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] circelily.livejournal.com
Oh wow - thanks for dropping by to give the definitive answer like that. I've come over all unnecessary :)

And I certainly will seek out Patrick White. Thanks for the tip.

And you totally get what I've been clumsily trying to articulate. The simple characteristic of female characters having agency instead of just being relative to Our Hero or any other male. Of being instead of symbolic ...aaaand as I am in danger of disappearing into Pseud's corner, I'll stop there. And thank you for writing such a splendid book - I shall be sure to keep a lookout for your later and future work.

Date: 2009-02-03 01:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kulpunya.livejournal.com
Thanks for giving me a totally unexpected chance to explain :D I admit, at the time of deciding to go with "KJ" I didn't give much thought to it.

Henry James was another man who wrote women as people. In the fantasy field, China Mieville comes to mind - in fact, I thought he was a woman until I saw his photograph; don't know which way my guess would have gone if the name had been C. Mieville.

Date: 2009-02-11 07:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ashfae.livejournal.com
Totally random: http://azriona.livejournal.com/459430.html

You will find this amusing. I'm still giggling. *gryn*

Date: 2009-02-12 06:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] circelily.livejournal.com
You git. First I spluttered. Then I remembered one of the best and most ridiculous fanfic from way back and wasted over an hour over at Gossamer. Oh heavens, it's from 1996! Before the term Crackfic had even been coined . Eek. Look for Exxed's Sweet Smell of X-Cess. Go on. Dare ya

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